Comments on: A little dust-up between bloggers and old wine media http://winequesters.com/blog/archives/91 Wine Tasting Road Trips and the Tasting Lifestyle Sat, 20 Feb 2010 21:59:18 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Lenn Thompson http://winequesters.com/blog/archives/91/comment-page-1#comment-168 Lenn Thompson Fri, 28 Nov 2008 15:06:04 +0000 http://winequesters.com/blog/?p=91#comment-168 I thought this conversation had faded away... I guess not. At least a few people are getting some blog traffic out of the 'controversy' Hope everyone had a good Turkey Day. I thought this conversation had faded away… I guess not.

At least a few people are getting some blog traffic out of the ‘controversy’

Hope everyone had a good Turkey Day.

]]> By: 1WineDude http://winequesters.com/blog/archives/91/comment-page-1#comment-167 1WineDude Thu, 27 Nov 2008 15:22:14 +0000 http://winequesters.com/blog/?p=91#comment-167 You know what? We should commend WDG for throwing suggestions out there and thinking outside of the box, as many have already noted. I am also grateful on this Thanksgiving Day that there is a minor controversy in the world of wine writing that does not involve me! ;-) Pass the stuffing! You know what? We should commend WDG for throwing suggestions out there and thinking outside of the box, as many have already noted.

I am also grateful on this Thanksgiving Day that there is a minor controversy in the world of wine writing that does not involve me!

;-)

Pass the stuffing!

]]> By: el jefe http://winequesters.com/blog/archives/91/comment-page-1#comment-163 el jefe Wed, 26 Nov 2008 22:18:01 +0000 http://winequesters.com/blog/?p=91#comment-163 I dunno... I read just enough history to be dangerous. It seems that the more things seem to change the more they stay the same. We're all just human beans running around wanting to share our thoughts, ideas, and opinions - and wanting to be heard. 200 years ago you needed access to a printing press to publish a pamphlet; today it's a blog and computer. The writer will do what she needs to do to be heard and valued, and the reader will decide who he trusts and values. And this is how it will (hopefully) always be. I dunno… I read just enough history to be dangerous. It seems that the more things seem to change the more they stay the same. We’re all just human beans running around wanting to share our thoughts, ideas, and opinions – and wanting to be heard. 200 years ago you needed access to a printing press to publish a pamphlet; today it’s a blog and computer. The writer will do what she needs to do to be heard and valued, and the reader will decide who he trusts and values. And this is how it will (hopefully) always be.

]]> By: Tish http://winequesters.com/blog/archives/91/comment-page-1#comment-162 Tish Wed, 26 Nov 2008 22:15:17 +0000 http://winequesters.com/blog/?p=91#comment-162 This is a well-reasoned post. The blogging landscape seems to shift significantly every month, and with each shift grows bigger and stronger. What continues to impress me is how conscious the most adept wine bloggers are of ethics. By contrast, the magazine Steve writes and blogs for (and which I edited ten+ years ago) seems to have no such consciousness, and is unlikely to ever be referred to as the Wine Ethicist. As upright as Steve may be personally, his talk here of "standards" rings pretty hollow. Perhaps Steve can lead W.E. to higher ground. Maybe they'll disclose which articles were generated by junkets; maybe they will place the word ADVERTISEMENT at the top of the buying guide pages that feature paid label reproductions; maybe they'll stop selling wines (inlcluding many the magazine has reviewsed) via their website wineexpress.com; and maybe they can come up with some industry awards that pass the sniff test. In the meantime, it is ultra clear that the only place in the wine world where you can find straight talk these days is on blogs. This is a well-reasoned post. The blogging landscape seems to shift significantly every month, and with each shift grows bigger and stronger. What continues to impress me is how conscious the most adept wine bloggers are of ethics. By contrast, the magazine Steve writes and blogs for (and which I edited ten+ years ago) seems to have no such consciousness, and is unlikely to ever be referred to as the Wine Ethicist. As upright as Steve may be personally, his talk here of “standards” rings pretty hollow.

Perhaps Steve can lead W.E. to higher ground. Maybe they’ll disclose which articles were generated by junkets; maybe they will place the word ADVERTISEMENT at the top of the buying guide pages that feature paid label reproductions; maybe they’ll stop selling wines (inlcluding many the magazine has reviewsed) via their website wineexpress.com; and maybe they can come up with some industry awards that pass the sniff test.

In the meantime, it is ultra clear that the only place in the wine world where you can find straight talk these days is on blogs.

]]> By: Jim Preston http://winequesters.com/blog/archives/91/comment-page-1#comment-161 Jim Preston Wed, 26 Nov 2008 21:57:41 +0000 http://winequesters.com/blog/?p=91#comment-161 Steve, I'm not sure blogging requires that. Is Fox News impartial and objective? Rush Limbaugh as an extreme example? They don't even bother with full disclosure let alone any other standards, and they are successful and apparently valued. You are there for that market. That is your niche and traditionally it has been a big one. However, that niche seems to be "shattering" and not just in wine media. Think of Aaron Brown on CNN. His reporting was careful, balanced, objective, and wonderful. He was also fired because there aren't enough of us who valued his reporting. I respect Anderson Cooper but he is more sensational, emotional, and opinionated, like a blogger. I'm still trying to figure all this out. As you know I'm a fan of media philosopher Marshall McLuhan and some of his ideas may help. I am somewhat sure that bloggers will not evolve into old wine media and there will probably be a tension between the two camps. Bloggers will probably evolve into a new media style with a new market. Probably as much entertainment as substance. I'm starting to play with that idea. - jim Steve, I’m not sure blogging requires that. Is Fox News impartial and objective? Rush Limbaugh as an extreme example? They don’t even bother with full disclosure let alone any other standards, and they are successful and apparently valued.

You are there for that market. That is your niche and traditionally it has been a big one. However, that niche seems to be “shattering” and not just in wine media. Think of Aaron Brown on CNN. His reporting was careful, balanced, objective, and wonderful. He was also fired because there aren’t enough of us who valued his reporting. I respect Anderson Cooper but he is more sensational, emotional, and opinionated, like a blogger.

I’m still trying to figure all this out. As you know I’m a fan of media philosopher Marshall McLuhan and some of his ideas may help. I am somewhat sure that bloggers will not evolve into old wine media and there will probably be a tension between the two camps. Bloggers will probably evolve into a new media style with a new market. Probably as much entertainment as substance. I’m starting to play with that idea.

- jim

]]> By: Steve Heimoff http://winequesters.com/blog/archives/91/comment-page-1#comment-160 Steve Heimoff Wed, 26 Nov 2008 21:29:13 +0000 http://winequesters.com/blog/?p=91#comment-160 Jim, thanks for a thoughtful post. I have no idea where blogging is going, but I know it's going somewhere big. It may be true, as you write, that "Wine blogging can be a very different discipline from wine writing that Steve is invested in." But there should be the same standards of ethics, impartiality and avoidance of conflict of interest. Shouldn't there? Just because blogging is new and different doesn't mean it's immune from contamination. Jim, thanks for a thoughtful post. I have no idea where blogging is going, but I know it’s going somewhere big. It may be true, as you write, that “Wine blogging can be a very different discipline from wine writing that Steve is invested in.” But there should be the same standards of ethics, impartiality and avoidance of conflict of interest. Shouldn’t there? Just because blogging is new and different doesn’t mean it’s immune from contamination.

]]> By: Bloggers=Anarchist Wineophiles « California Life: Better Than Happy Hour http://winequesters.com/blog/archives/91/comment-page-1#comment-159 Bloggers=Anarchist Wineophiles « California Life: Better Than Happy Hour Wed, 26 Nov 2008 20:19:23 +0000 http://winequesters.com/blog/?p=91#comment-159 [...] my point is that there is no one point.  Bloggers, wine-bloggers are basically wineophile anarchist writers.  They have passion, brains, joie de vivre, and a [...] [...] my point is that there is no one point.  Bloggers, wine-bloggers are basically wineophile anarchist writers.  They have passion, brains, joie de vivre, and a [...]

]]> By: WineDiverGirl http://winequesters.com/blog/archives/91/comment-page-1#comment-158 WineDiverGirl Wed, 26 Nov 2008 19:38:51 +0000 http://winequesters.com/blog/?p=91#comment-158 Thanks for your perspective. I really appreciate it and the context you offer about that perspective. Any conversation is good; conversation that adds value, offers solutions, considers new and alternate ways of doing things I think are even better.A chorus of the same note is not at all interesting, and harmony can take time to perfect. I wonder when we'll get there. Certainly we are on our way, though. Thanks for your perspective. I really appreciate it and the context you offer about that perspective. Any conversation is good; conversation that adds value, offers solutions, considers new and alternate ways of doing things I think are even better.A chorus of the same note is not at all interesting, and harmony can take time to perfect. I wonder when we’ll get there. Certainly we are on our way, though.

]]> By: Mike Harmon http://winequesters.com/blog/archives/91/comment-page-1#comment-157 Mike Harmon Wed, 26 Nov 2008 19:01:20 +0000 http://winequesters.com/blog/?p=91#comment-157 Great post. I will read your posts frequently. Added you to the RSS reader. Great post. I will read your posts frequently. Added you to the RSS reader.

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